High Strangeness: OMG! Citizen Hearing on Disclosure -- Part 2

Thursday, May 2, 2013

OMG! Citizen Hearing on Disclosure -- Part 2

Ever since I first blogged about the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure, I have been besieged by comments, some positive, some negative, all interesting and thought-provoking. Well, except for the one that told me I had my head up my ass I should shut the fuck up. That was not thought-provoking at all.

One commenter made the point that the Hearing was valuable because, even though much of the information being presented is ancient, there are a lot of people new to the party who don't know the full history of the UFO phenomenon. Good point. Another commenter said, "UFOs are a joke, because UFO advocates are a joke." Again, good point, and I say that knowing full well that she may have been referring to me.

As I mentioned in that first post, it's never a bad thing when a whole lot of people talk openly about UFOs, what they are, what they mean, what we should be doing about them... And I give the Citizen Hearing credit for starting a lot of conversations this week.

I have been avoiding listening in on the hearing today, though, because I heard something yesterday that just bugged the hell out of me. It was sometime in the afternoon, there were several "witnesses" at a table, and the former Congresspeople were interviewing one of those witnesses, Jesse Marcel, Jr., the son, I might add, of Jesse Marcel, Sr. Now, Jesse, Sr. is famous for having been the first military officer on the scene after the alleged Roswell UFO crash of 1947. He recovered bits and pieces of strange debris from the alleged crash site, and took them home with him that night.

Back home, Jesse, Sr. showed the materials to his wife and kids, and so yesterday Jesse, Jr. was being questioned about the events of that night. But here's the thing: the guy was 11 when this happened in 1947, so that makes him 77 now. He was doing his best to answer the questions about that night 66 years ago, but there were times when he faltered, got confused, lost his train of thought.... all things you would expect of a 77 year-old man trying to recall something that happened 66 years ago.

So what do you think happened? Every time Jesse, Jr. faltered, or got confused, or lost his train of thought, another panelist, Stanton Friedman, would jump in and respond for him. For those of you who don't know, Friedman is a nuclear physicist and an outspoken critic of the government's alleged UFO cover-up; he knows his stuff and can talk UFOs and conspiracy theories 'til the mutilated cattle come home. If they could come home.

Jesse Marcel, Sr. with alleged wreckage.
But Friedman didn't have the floor.

Maybe he and Jesse, Jr. are old buddies and have it all worked out that Friedman can answer Jesse, Jr.'s questions when Jesse, Jr. can't come up with something. Maybe. But it came across as one phenomenally rude person interjecting himself repeatedly into another person's interview. Really, really stupendously obnoxious. Whatever Jesse Jr. had to say was completely drowned out by Friedman, and how, I wonder, does that advance the cause of UFO research, or enrich the historical record of the UFO phenomenon?

I really wanted to hear what Jesse, Jr. had to say, Stanton, but you made it impossible. In fact, you made it seem as though you were trying to cover for Jesse, Jr., for some reason, which, in the context of a "Congressional hearing" -- even a phony one -- is seriously troubling.

So I'm taking a day off from listening to the live stream and instead working on my J. Allen Hynek book. Which brings up an interesting point. A big part of the chapter I'm working on centers on a series of Congressional hearings that took place in 1966, so I've had an interesting time comparing those real hearings of 1966 with the phony hearing that's going on this week. What I've realized is that those real Congressional hearings, in the end, accomplished very little of any lasting value. So why would the organizers of this week's festivities model their event after something that has never worked in the past?

Maybe Stanton Friedman can jump in on this one.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey, it was a simulated Congressional Hearing.

What do you think would have happened in a real congressional hearing?

:)

But yeah, funny and kind of sad at the same time.

RANXEROX said...

Where are the moderators in this contrived shit-storm? Anyone jumping out of line like that should've been ejected from the hearing immediately. Stanton is not the witness. He's also so full of crap his eyes are purple. By the way, Mark, how much did you pay for this lie-stream?

Mark OC said...

I believe I paid $3.80 for live streaming for all five days. Only 76 cents a day! Well, 95 cents a day since I didn't tune in yesterday.

I'd better listen in today to get my money's worth...

Anonymous said...

You must be new to this if you don't realize the connection between Friedman & Marcel Jr. You don't seem to know anything about any of the witnesses and researchers. The other day you referred to Linda Moulton Howe as the "woman in the green beret." Really? You should inform yourself a little about these researchers who have spent decades studying this phenomena before you set out to critique them. At least they are trying to accomplish something, to bring this out into the open. As long as the people in power continue to keep secrets, while the uninformed goobers make jokes, we will never bring about disclosure.

Mark OC said...

Geez, buddy, I am not new to this. I know who Linda Moulton Howe is, and I thought it was funny that she was wearing a green beret. I also know the connection between Friedman and Marcel, but that relationship doesn't make it ok for Friedman to do Marcel's talking for him. The real trouble is that I'm too familiar with characters like Howe and Friedman. I think their ancient stories and "evidence" are extremely weak and entirely inconclusive, and I think it was a colossal mistake to build the entire CHD event around a bunch of people who have nothing new to bring to the conversation. Which you would know if you actually read the blog.

Anonymous said...

The fact that there are ancient stories just proves that this secrecy has been going on far too long. Those older accounts are just as important in painting the big picture as the newer cases. If we had full disclosure here in the US, and the entire population took this seriously, we would have all the evidence we need, and the support of the scientific community to gain further knowledge. What is your little blog doing to help us move towards that goal?

Anonymous said...

The speakers at this event are bringing a body of information to the uninformed. This is not a normal annual conference with regular attendees who require new info each year. This is a presentation of the best cases for people who may or may not be familiar with the subject at hand. For the record, Linda Moulton Howe always wears the beret, which you would know if you had EVER attended one of her lectures.

Arcturus said...

Referring to Howe merely as the "woman in the green beret" is charitable in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

*Crickets*